Guzzi V65 TTR (tutto terreno racing)

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After playing with multitudes of beemers and building somewhat dakar like replicas, I started tinkering with the idea of building my special guzzi…..

after all aren’t we all tired to see all these gummi cows with elongated arms and so on….well I am……. so here the GUZZI project begins.

Deciding on the bike was pretty easy to me, as i wanted something light, yes light…not a panzer for the street but something easy to drive desertwise.

The bike picked to start the metamorphosis is the Guzzi V65tt. It is pretty rare in the US as only 15 were imported. Can you believe it? amazing. How many g/s in the US?

The rarity dint stop me as I was very intrigued to work with and learn something new. As an advantage (in deciding the next steps) I also own a Baja (the bike Guzzi build to attempt the dakar in the 80s) and a prototype with which Guzzi experimented a monoshock swingarm.

So here the picture of the bike that I will begin my work with and post the work pari passo on this thread….ah, I picked Frankuzzi as it sounds better to my native language and reminds me of my friend in the old boot.

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First I will list what are the main issues on this bike that i will address in the rebuild1) Non existing front brake and super wimpy forks2) Very small swing arm travel3) very fragile differential and swing arm4) very, very heavy battery and a very complicated air filter system5) very high foot pegs mounts

6) the original exhaust is the pit, the one that i have on is an aftermarket sito that works quite good

7) Small fuel autonomy with the stock metal tank

8) very fragile back fender

That is not bad considering that in other bikes i had to change more items to make it to my likelyhood

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I couldn’t stop searching among the many tanks that i have home and see at what could fit Frankuzzi. I found a set that may work. In the mean time, I started taking down few parts to have a better idea on what to do next.I have also exchanged emails with a good friend of mine which has done all the welding on my bikes and helped me rebuilding few ones. He is an airhead desert rider but he fancied to work on something different. I told him what i had in mind and we all soon realized that the big problem would have been the back swing arm.Now, when you rebuild a bike for a special purpose, there are many ways of sorting the parts and get the job done. The more talented do everything themselves, other like me do few jobs, and let other professional do it. Welding is not my forte and i rather prefer to see it done by someone who knows what to do and tried on his beemers. I dont want to have a bike cracked in 2 after a jump…i have seen it on a nice beemerSomething that is important to me is to respect the time and age of the bike and therefore my upgrades will follow as best as I can, parts that could be procured on that period even if this means, installing something inferior to more modern components. It doesn’t make a difference to me as i will not go any faster anyway and i will appreciate better the authenticity of my creation….as it could have been made 20 year ago….Lulu7m 009dpEnjoy the guzzi with beemers pictures on the wall :
Howdy and buonaseraI have inspected the frame and these are the reinforcement -in blue- we will do the main frame. They respect the baja bike more or less. We will also cut the UGLY passenger peg mount. Note this bike that has Baja parts has been rebuilt with the stock tt frame. Apparently the bike was in an accident of some sort…
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Lets discuss the bike in general and talk about suspension.To be right with the age and period of the bike, the choices for the forks are 2. Either the Marzocchi Magnum m1 as the Baja bike or the Whitepower 4054 upside down forks. I believe the White power are better forks and beisde dont really want to build a Baja replica. So here you go with my the choice.Regarding the back shocks I will probably end having them manufacture based on my weight and riding skill if I cannot find them used in the right lenght and in the right conditions. The marzocchi original shocks (baja) are impossible to find, perhaps some vintage ohlins with a separate reservoir. I dream. We will see when we get thereLet’s talk about the differential and swing arm. The tt as the NTX have an aluminum swing arm and a very delicate final drive. I could reinforce and elongate that swingarm but I am stuck with that bad final drive.The baja bikes raced with the big block guzzi swing arm properly elongated and reinforced. My only option is to take down the baja swing arm and build a structure to be able to replicate the swingarm and maintain the correct geometry. The shaft has to be elongated too. Like the hpn BMWs; it is the same music the only difference is that g/s has a strong final drive!!! The pic above illustrate the elongated swingarm and different final driveSo here I go, got the right final drive (big block guzzi), 2 swing arms,( i will cannibalize one to build the other swing arm) and a shaft that i have already elongated. I also got a used wheel that will work with that final drive, the stock didnt anymore. I didnt go with the 17′ wheel but rather the 18′ wheel. I have now a tt/ntx swing arm, a final drive, 2 shocks, a wheel with caliper mount, a back caliper, an axle and a rotor to toss or sell at an auction..
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Pics are of the new wheel, the elongated shaft, new back fender and bit and pieces of my taken apart guzzi

Let’s complete the front set pics. Next i need to find a place where i am housing the pics, probably my site. Not sure yet so i avoid them disappearing in few monthsI kept the stock headlight and cockpit. I didnt want to revolutionize the look of the bike. We custom made the little fork bracket that support the bottom of the Headlight and bolts in the bottom triple trees.The triple trees have been set with a steel column to add strenght and machined to fit with the guzzi bearings.ah… the color of the frame is yellow because the last official guzzi baja that raced at the dakar with Torri was yellow…..and yellow it ismore to came….patience is a virtue 

The swing arm took a good long time to do it. First because it is not a simple job of elongating the stock swing arm as the gs beemers. The stock V65tt swing arm is made of alum, and the stock big block swing arm is very short.DSCN0001res
We took off the baja swing arm, measure it and built a steel template after it, The template holds the swing arm in place before elongating it and reinforcing it so that everything is perfect once the welding job is done. I believe this is the biggest constraint for individuals who wants to modify any small block guzzi bike (v50, v65 and so on) in a tough dual purpose bike. You dont need to start with a V65tt, any small beaten guzzi with a tonti frame will do it.
Of course I have the template and of course i can make other swingarms for the ones who want them.\ but time is a virtue again
The exhaust is very simple 2 into 2 with a removable cap mufflers. The cap is hold by 2 springs. You can pack the muffler after removing the cap. The bike is not quiet though. It has a nice low barking sound.
Nothing to do with my bike but just a lot of inspiration and a lot of copying.
One of the last survivors , probably needing a complete restoration job. The right tank is gone, an ntx plastic tank put instead. Still love this bike as beaten as it is with a rotten exhaust….baja1
Most of the Bajas are in France. I know 5 of them being in Italy, mine in the US, 3 in Australia, the rest presumably in France
Actually the one I posted is/was for sale around Monza Brianza, Italy
Note the support for the shock…..serious stuff here love the laced borrani wheel with that lip…..no need to offset perfectly centered in the swing arm….yeah!
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The Guzzi small block bad rep is the 4 valve lario engine. the v50 e v65 are solid, at least in my experience I never had a problem if the bike is well maintained. There is a lot of abuse out there and maybe this is the result. The stock v65tt bike has few issues and as I mentioned the stock final drive is prone to failures over certain mileage. Another issue is the electrical circuit when it gets old but the v65 tt with its small block…. beside shity brakes, wimpy forks, bad exhaust…is one of the best guzzi engines ever. BTW the bmw g/s has many moles too….

Lets talk about exhaust. I was able to get a piece of history. The exhaust of the proto 750 4valves. Nothing special about it… just 2 bended tubes but knowing that this came from the guzzi reparto corse makes me 
Unfortunately not a trace of the racing mufflers so I opted for 2 old style enduro mufflers (german origin) and i got them welded at the end of the exhaust. We built a removable small back frame to hold the back tank in place. I wanted something small and gracious and I always liked the HPN tank.

You may notice that the back exhaust is hold in place through a bracket and 2 springs. Nothing new, a solution adopted by Guzzi with the Baja bike. The springs allow and dampen the vibrations. The back of the muffler is removable by removing the 2 springs. It can be packed accordingly so it be may be quiet or loud. I left it loud.

The back fender is an acerbis Baja. Note also the back shock mount. It is very different from the stock tt. It is braced and the shock is well supported by both sides.3502_289672901152731_1616705413_n

Last i like the large handle that protrudes from the tank. I can hold the bike there and pull it if i need. next the picture of the special desert air box. Back splash fender made out of kevlar. Believe it or not i did it myself. 270093_289672861152735_2113720829_n

I could have improved the general electrics but i had a budget in mind. It will be the next project on this bike. the engine has an electronic ignition though… We made a custom alum bash guard.558949_289672887819399_816268751_n The stock Guzzi piece is probably the worst/useless part ever ever built in the history of motorcycle engineering. Whoever, i guess the engineer who designed that item should beaten with a wood stick. Really, such a OEM POS for an oil pan that protrudes from the bike.
Note also that I have kept the stock mudguard from the front fender and attached it to the baja front fender. So how do I deal with the oil foam coming out from the crankcase plus heads now that i have removed the stock airbox? I opted for a cylinder where the gas separates from the oil and the oil by gravity flows back in the crankcase.156752_289672947819393_656536910_n See below the alum cylinder kit tightened to the main frame. Works beautifully and no oil splatter whatsoever. So …today i drilled a lot..i am lightening the back support for the caliper that is an overkill and a spacer that is on the rim. pics later to follow. I have also send everything to MAP Engineering (Jim). He will receive the old heavy heavy guzzi rotor plus another rotor (not sure wher it came from but i had it around- either morini or cagiva- whcih has the same diameter of the guzzi back rotor. We may use it. Jim will let me know and post here.

Some final pics

 

 

 

7 Responses

  1. Justin
    Justin June 4, 2013 at 1:53 pm | | Reply

    Sir,

    Again i say very nice job indeed. I do wonder how you got away without using the rear caliper bracketry. Is there a way you could elaborate on this a little bit? I wish i could meet you in person to discuss your build. It has been very inspiring and for that i thank you!

    -Justin

  2. Justin
    Justin June 5, 2013 at 7:54 am | | Reply

    Which suspension did you use on the rear? Ive been trying to find something to get some more travel out of it. Currently it has all the original equipment on it. I know i cant get much more travel out of it without doing a custom swingarm like you did. How much would it run to have one made like yours?

  3. Justin
    Justin June 29, 2013 at 7:02 pm | | Reply

    Thanks for the information. I just pulled my v65 apart completely today. I didnt realize it was so easy till i got into it! Down im working on painting the frame although i want to powdercoat it. Next year that will probably be done. Any ideas of some power building with this motor? Right now ive just got K&N cone filters on it. I had an exhaust setup in mind but it didnt work out as well as i hoped. Good news though the bike will be in Arizona by the end of this year!

  4. SoyBoySigh
    SoyBoySigh April 18, 2015 at 8:50 am | | Reply

    Hi – gorgeous bike! Seems a very capable adventure touring rig.

    MY reason for being here, is I’m looking for info on which of the NTX type Guzzi dirtbikes had the 3.00×16″ Borrani “Rinforzatto” flanged drop-center rear rims. I’ve scored a bunch of them for my “KZ440LOL” project (lacing one around a 4LS drum hub from Suzuki GT750J, maxi-scooter front tire in 110/70-16 possible radial tires if I can afford, CB900F 39mm fork, all NOS belt-drive, matching 3.00×16″ rims 140/70 rear tire, T500 2LS drum matches the front 4LS (also donates wider shoes to cut down for 12-14% gains in braking) to build a possible side-car down the line – a ridiculous idea I’ve had stuck in my head as some type of giant Monkey/Van-Van type fat wheel bike slash vintage super-moto slash … wtf I have no idea I’m just building it…..

    Anyway yeah, I’ve found these rims on the Fantic Chopper, I’ve scored ‘em off Chopper conversions of all descriptions (very slick on a Harley ’cause early ’70s AMF Harley used un-marked Borrani rims) and I’ve also come across a pair off a Guzzi – but I’d like to know more about what model of Guzzi so I can figure out what hub would match. I wanna use one for a front wheel on a DOHC-4 Honda project, after my “CB900K0 Bol Bomber” is done, which is another wire wheel swap I’m stuck in the middle of – I wanna do a Spencer Replica style 16″ front wheel, ie VF750F, ie Bimota HB2, many other ’80s Superbikes, likely with an 18″ rear to match.

    Incidentally, the rims are being made again, so I suppose I could score ‘em new just as easily, & have ‘em drilled as I like. As could YOU – if you’re a fan of those old Guzzi off-road works racers.

    At THIS point as much as anything I’m stuck just trying to dig up BIKE PORN pics of the old racers, which I’m eager to peruse simply ’cause they were so damned sexy.

    But let’s say somebody wanted to build a replica of the works bikes I’m thinking of, or want to make their NTX650 into more of a factory original race replica, then THEY might wanna know WTF bike I’m thinking of too!

    So hey – if ANYBODY knows the off-road Guzzi racers I’m thinking of – they had gold anodized flanged Borrani rims, 18″ wm3 front and 3.00×16″ rear, and hella knobbie tires to go with ‘em.

    Damn if I weren’t so fixated on the maxi-scooter radials on the KZ440LOL I’d wanna try them fat knobbies from the Guzzi…..

    IF you know the model – please drop me a hint my email’s silasginn@netscape.net

    -Sigh.

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